Thanks everyone, I'm a scaredy-cat being afraid of getting greedy with Snapcaster and then end up making a resolved Oath live.
I'd even bring in second Minbreak Trap for Thrun or Carnage Tyrant. =D
PMs are somewhat broken, but when enlarged it seems to sort of work.
I don't have FB, I'll try to get in touch with Mr. Forino via Nick, although my guess would be he's visiting parents in the South of Italy.
Updated Dan's list to reflect the 2nd back to basics. I watched some of his top 8 games and just simply having B2B out changed the flow of every game I saw.
Also, we have another top 8 deck - Troy Sands Mono-red Goblins (and actually I wouldnt even call this goblins as it features multiple other creature types for control. Gobbos is just the aggro win-con).
## Mono red goblins
4 ancient tomb
4 city of traitors
1 strip mine
Artifact Mana 3
1 black lotus
1 mox ruby
1 lotus petal
Artifact Control 7
1 chalice of the void
1 sorcerous spyglass
4 null rod
4 blood moon
4 magus of the moon
4 goblin rabblemaster
3 dire fleet daredevil
4 simian spirit guide
1 koth of the hammer
4 Chandra, torch of defiance
4 fiery confluence
2 chaos warp
1 ricochet trap
4 leyline of the void
4 ensnaring bridge
1 pyrostatic pillar
1 eidolon of the great revel
1 koth of the hammer
1 sorcerous spyglass
2 by force
@emopizza I also did some testing with song of the dryads and imprisoned in the moon. They seem corny but both offer good options to threats that the deck has issues dealing with like active planeswalkers. I cut them in the end because they didn’t have any interaction once they hit the graveyard and were too much of an investment to have countered.
I think they could easily see some play though as an answer to certain blue decks in the right build.
@The-Atog-Lord Thirteen--I imagine there were others who felt similarly to you. It was my first time making it out to Gamingetc, so I don't know what's typical for their monthly tournaments. The drive back was more arduous than the tournament itself!
@jsakpc Thanks! As for Snapcaster vs Recoup, I would say that the former is certainly a better card than the latter in a vacuum. Snapcaster is certainly more flexible. However, I am running Recoup because it is a single card accomplishing what would take 2-4 Snapcasters. I want Gifts to be able to win on its own given sufficient mana without any help. A lone Gifts can find Lotus, Will, Recoup, Demonic and win with whatever they give you (provided you have the mana). If you substitute that Recoup with Snapcaster, they can bin the Will and Snapcaster and cut you off Will.
I think a Gifts deck with Snapcaster can work--flashing back draw spells and counters is very strong. I personally wanted to spend those slots on other cards and play a single card (Recoup) that makes Gifts a one-card combo. You could certainly try this list and sub in 4 Snapcasters in for the Barals and Recoup--and maybe finding another cut to fit in a Merchant Scroll, which would enable casting Ancestral twice a game more often. Such a move could solidify the mana base to UB, if you drop the red splash.
That's what's so great about Gifts, you can tailor your list to your preferences and style!
One of my pals was trying out a BUG Leovold build that used JVP, Squee, and Survival. It was very grindy and did a lot of work once survival hit. You can tutor up Squee, then get as many other creatures as you want until grave hate hits. Getting out Leovold shut down a lot of options in my experience. Squee with JVP was also a nice touch.
@walking-dude There are stores on Long Island and New Jersey that are not too far away (decent access by car) that hot regular Vintage tournaments. Unfortunately, none within NYC (the five boroughs) that organize it at least once a month, although I've spoken to a few store owners willing to try it.
The big issue is parking, as NYC doesn't have stores with access to free parking for large groups of players, and worrying about feeding the meter is a pain when you are in the middle of a round playing. With NYC being so packed and continuously building upward, it pushes parking availability out, which discourages players from out of the area (1+ hours away) from wanting to travel to play. That means lower tournament turnout, which leads to
Lower prize Support (the main draw for players)
Fewer rounds played (which lowers the justification for paying for parking)
Fewer skilled players (the main draw for competitors, and a big way to grow a scene aside from loading upo on prize support)
The last tournament I organized was at Kings Games back in 2005 or 6 for a Mox Emerald, and at the time, it only drew 22 players. The main issue was having to pay 8-10 bucks for parking or risk a 3+ hour communte from outside NYC via public transportation to an area not in Manhattan. And Manhattan commercial rents at that time were skyrocketting to the point where if I had to host a monthly, stores wanted me to rent the space for the day to do it. It was unsustainable.
Kudos to Nick Detwiler in helping grow a scene in NY. I couldn't.
I also want to add a personal plug for Jason at Deal Me In Games here. The prize support we post is based on attendance of 30 people. I just want to note that Jason has NEVER once scaled prize support down. Even when we had 12, he offered full prize support (the top 8 basically begged and insisted on lesser support).
When he offered the Bazaar of Baghdad at 30 and we hit 24 - he still gave out the bazaar. I suggested he up the entry fee to $35 to use the extra $5 to offset the prize for the top 8 at the end of the year and he refused. So while I'm the visible face who does all the advertising, Jason is the one who takes all the financial risk and puts himself on the line. He never fails to be a stand-up TO and shopkeeper when it comes to prizes. So a big thanks to Jason for all his support for the T1 community this year!!
This in itself makes me want to drive the extra 1.5 hours for the next tournament to show this shop some love and support. I'm quite a distance away, but I'll make sure I can schedule to make one of these tournaments. People say they love Vintage, but the way to do it is to put your money where your mouth is.
As soon as I can get another manager for my facility, I will be scheduling time to come down.