@joshuabrooks I agree with you that people have to learn lessons. Maybe learning a lesson by losing $100,000 is a bit much? What bothers me most though is that the scammer would win with $100,000 in their pocket. What kind of lesson does the scammer learn? They would learn that they can get rich easily by taking advantage of people. Then other bad people will see what the scammer has done and then you have more people doing scams. And then it cascades from there, repeating this same process over and over, creating thousands of scams. Lets stop it now while we still can.

This is the argument I find most compelling.

Thanks wizards I hate it.

It was a main deck null rod build that tried to fix some of the issues that the deck had with top decking dead by removing the mana artifacts. The meta at the time was generally quite soft to the rod so having 4 main deck you could play without worry or hesitation was very strong.

I didn't screen shot it but I had a game in eternal weekend where
Op) Ancestral
Me) Ancestral
OP) FOW
Me) Brainstorm
OP) Dig Through Time
Me) Flusterstorm

I thought that was pretty cool.

@moorebrother1

There is a 4-C lutri omnath deck that works surprisingly well it has a pretty modern rampy feel.

@aelien

You don't necessarily need a reason to dislike something, it makes me unhappy is a perfectly valid response.

Does Daretti actually do anything particularly threatening if they choose not to counter it or are you relying on fear and confusion?

It is probably better in the more human lists amusingly. The little bit of testing that I have done on it says that is is not great for white eldrazi as not being able to be cast off cavern actually stresses the deck’s mana base. Solid card overall but for eldrazi human mixes I think it may be best to stick to only two types.

My list plays 21 colorless sources(counting caverns and 4 of the moxen) so if you play less your result may be different.

@brass-man said in MTGO 2020:

@80percentbuffoon said in MTGO 2020:

Unfortunately this forum caters primarily to paper players so the above paper bias in the responses is expected.

Obviously obviously I have to respond to this, though I hope I don't sound bratty or defensive.

TMD does not explicitly cater to paper players in the sense that I have taken zero active steps to provide anything specifically for paper players. I genuinely have no idea what part of the site could be considered paper-centric, maybe the Tournament Announcement forum that nobody's posted in for months?

I think you'll find that paper players don't really use TMD either. There aren't many living paper communities out there any more, and there tends to be a pretty big overlap between people who don't like playing online and people who don't like internet forums, for obvious reasons. If I try to pin down what I see as "the paper community", I think of places like the New York metagame that until recently ran regular large events. Players who play at an astounding level and just have no interest in an online forum. I don't think Joe Brennan even has a TMD account. I think the majority of active TMD posters (myself included) are _ex_paper players. People who used to go to tournaments regularly and for whatever reason no longer can, who drop by now and then to brainstorm some new spoiled card just to exercise their Vintage muscles. Then we recede back into our neighborhoods where there just aren't any paper Vintage tournaments to go to anymore.

I've tried catering to paper players. I've also tried catering to MTGO players. I ask people what it would take for them to use TMD more. I ask people that a lot. I'm guessing a lot of people I know are sick of me asking them. I almost never get an answer beyond "ban ____, I don't like them" and "I don't go there because no one goes there".

The fact is, people don't want to talk about Vintage on a forum. I keep it running out of a sense of obligation, and because I can afford to, but it's just not something people are passionate about enough to contribute to.

If could think of a way to cater to paper players, I'd do it in a heartbeat. If I could think of a way to cater to MTGO players, I'd do that instead.

I know this all sounds kind of defensive, and maybe it is, somewhat ... I do feel bad when people dislike the site ... but more than that, I don't think you would have said that if you didn't feel like you were somehow being excluded ... and I don't want people to feel like they're being pushed out of the site when I've been so desperately trying to make people feel like they can participate (a fact that some people have told me is the biggest problem with TMD).

I wish I could lay out some action plan I have for fixing any issues you have with the site, but I think I'm all tapped out.

Brass Man or Mr.Probasco whitch ever you prefer I want to make it very clear to you that you are doing gods work. I learned about vintage through the vintage super league and as a result have started to play. I lack the financial means to play in paper or even go to tournaments, but I have played vintage on xmage and tabletop with friends I am trying to bring into the format. I enjoy this and I would go so far as to say vintage is my favorite way to play magic. This would not have been possible without 2 things. Your website and MTGTOP8. I go there for decks and come here for understanding. I have spent hours trawling the archives and reading and just recently chose to make an account so I could participate first hand. Don’t, please don’t, believe that you are screaming into the void. The work you do matters, it may not to anyone else but it has mattered a lot to me and I want to thank you for keeping this cite open and running for as long as you have.

P.S. Mabye get aversion of dredge with less than 4 grave trolls for the front page.

I for one am fine with it and find it infrequent enough that it amuses rather than irritates me.

Makes sense.

Is there any merit to, if this is the win condition you want, just going full momo blue and making it a 4 BTB deck? that would allow for some more shifts and the last relic so you would become a full hybrid control combo deck.

@recklessmbermage

I would recommend 2.5 things

1. At least one of those decays should probably be a trophy in a vacuum and if Jace is giving you trouble that is doubly true it would also help v eldrazis more.
2. Eldrazi are significantly more afraid of knights of the reliquary than questing beasts at least in my experience because knights don't trade with seers they just eat them. They tend to be better at pressuring blue as well as they can come off cavern and increase your functional waste/strip count.
3. this one is more of a question than a recommendation why is dryad militant better than cannonist because cannonist seems a lot better vs breach and much more relevant vs decks like doomsday as well?

I don't know if this is correct or if it would break your mana base or something but I have been consistently underwhelmed by once upon a time as anything more than a 2 of so you may want to look at that for the slot to replace with a second vigor. I haven't played your deck at all so this conclusion is tentative at best but it jumped out at me.

I am interested in this but I also don't understand the question.

@thewhitedragon69 said in Lurrus Painter:
FoW EVERY DAMN TIME.
I felt this.

Also cool decks and I will be taking them for a spin, I will share if I stumble upon anything significant.

I am a doomsday guy and have been reasonably successful, we fear archon of emeria, leovold and pressure in that order. We will often have to pass after casting the doomsday especially when under a leovold effect and just killing us is a good option. One more card you can play is hushwing gryph/torpor orb which is very matchup targeted but especially if flashed in after the doomsday pile has been decided on will often instantly beat the deck.

If PWK were one mana cheaper I think it would be a big win for doomsday but I think I will keep playing eliminates for narset, oko, and dack.

The land does self sac right?

This card is fascinating what set is it?

@moorebrother1

Is an actual book like the one on gush or no? I would like to accumulate some vintage books for my living room table.